Scott argues in today’s Press Briefing that Hamas is bad, but democracy is good, and change through democracy is really good, so Hamas taking power is we will not comment.
Q How can you describe a belief that the Palestinian people, through their vote, wanted peace, when they voted for a group that does espouse violence and maintains an armed militia? Those things seem to be in conflict.
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, no, I think the President actually addressed that yesterday in his remarks. He talked about the power of democracy. Democracy puts the people in charge. And the people want peace; the people want responsive government. And they voted to change the status quo. And the President said it should be an eye opener to people in the — leaders in the Palestinian Territory. They voted to change the status quo. They’re concerned about things like corruption in the government. They were concerned about making sure that their needs were being met. And democracy leads to government that is responsive. And if it’s not responsive, then the people have the opportunity to hold that government accountable and change.
Q But they also chose a group that has violent intentions.
MR. McCLELLAN: And I just pointed — what the President pointed out yesterday, you have to look at what they voted for. It was voting for change. But the aspirations of the Palestinian people is one of peace. The Palestinian people believe in an open and tolerant society, and they believe in a diversity of views. I think we’ve seen that through their actions. They also want government that is responsive to their needs. And in terms of Hamas, as we’ve said, our views remain unchanged….
MR. McCLELLAN: What would be the implications for our assistance? Well, first of all, I think Secretary Rice spoke last night, and she talked about how we recognize that the Palestinian people have humanitarian needs. And I said that I don’t want to get into speculating about what the new government may be like. That is in the process of forming now. As the President said, he would like — we would like to see President Abbas stay in office, and continue to work to move the peace process forward.
We’ve made it very clear that we do not and will not deal with Hamas because it is a terrorist organization that has as part of its platform, the destruction of Israel. And so our views are very clear when it comes to Hamas.
Now, in terms of assistance that we provide, if Hamas is the government, then we have a policy and legal framework in place that we would have to look at. And we would make decisions at that point. We would review what our assistance is and make decisions at that point.
Q Now, separately, Israel, as they watch this process unfold, do you have a message for them?
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, again, what the President emphasized yesterday was our commitment to the two-state vision. The two-state vision is the way to achieve peace in the Middle East. The international community has strongly stated their support for the two-state vision. And that’s what we’re committed to working toward. That’s the way you achieve peace in the Middle East.
Q So then you’re saying “if” Hamas is the government, well, there doesn’t seem to be any doubt that it will be based on the election results and on what’s happening over there today. So what you’re really saying, it seems to me, is that unless Hamas renounces the charter provision that calls for the destruction of Israel, the U.S. won’t deal with it.
MR. McCLELLAN: I think the President made our view very clear yesterday. We don’t deal with Hamas because Hamas is a terrorist organization.
Q Follow-up question, how do you know that it is simply a reaction to local conditions, corruption, and local problems that caused the election of Hamas?
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, I think that you can look at what was taking place. And the President referred to — the President referred to the “old guard” that was there.
Q Right. But why –
MR. McCLELLAN: But we believe — we believe very strongly that people around the world, and societies around the world want to, one, live in freedom; and, two, that they want peace. And I think that’s very clear from what the Palestinian people have said over the years. They want peace.
Q Where do they say this? I don’t –
MR. McCLELLAN: I think you can go and talk to people in that region, and you will hear them say that, yes, they want peace. The people in that society –
Q You keep laying it all off on the problems that they had with corruption and leadership.
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, elections are about the government and it’s about a competition of ideas, as the President talked about yesterday. I don’t think you can ignore those facts.
Q Have there been any contacts with Hamas, other than your public statements here, and the President’s, in terms of trying to reach them or see what can happen?
MR. McCLELLAN: We don’t deal with Hamas, as I stated.
Go ahead.
Q Does the President believe Mahmoud Abbas should refuse to form a coalition with Hamas?
MR. McCLELLAN: The President believes that the Palestinian people have gone to the polls in large numbers, in a peaceful way, free of violence, and we congratulate the Palestinian people for doing that. They have spoken at the ballot box. And now President Abbas will move forward with the new legislative leaders and work on forming a government. And that’s for the Palestinian people to decide, and they have spoken at the ballot box.
Q Can the President move forward on the two-state vision while refusing to engage with a Hamas-controlled government?
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, two things. One, we’re going to continue working with President Abbas and working with the current government that is in place. We’ll see how the new government unfolds.
David, go ahead.
Q Scott, I’m just trying to detangle that last statement because if the — the new government clearly will be controlled by Hamas. You’ve set out for us a very clear message: We don’t deal with Hamas. You’re saying you do deal with President Abbas. And so you’re in the situation now of having to deal sooner or later with a government that will be controlled by Hamas one way or another. So is that — are you telling us that you will be not dealing with Hamas right now?
MR. McCLELLAN: I don’t know how I can be more clear to you. We’ve stated our views on Hamas. They remain unchanged. And, two, I’m not going to speculate about a government that is in the process of unfolding at this point –
Q But that government clearly will –
MR. McCLELLAN: — or the formation of a government that is unfolding at this point.
Q We don’t need to speculate about what form it will take. It clearly — it clearly will be dominated by Hamas by virtue of this free election. So the question is –
MR. McCLELLAN: We’ll see what the formation of the government is.
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Q Back on Hamas again for a second. Insofar as the President said yesterday and you said today that you can’t do business with a group that engages in terrorism — and the President mentioned yesterday can’t have an armed wing and can’t have destruction of Israel and its plank — as Bill mentioned, to renounce that plank in the platform related to Israel — the President said, can’t have an armed wing.
If we’re talking about, sort of, the rehabilitation of terrorist groups, or a way in which organizations that have had this kind of a history can now become part of the body politic — and Sinn Fein and the IRA is an example, or whatever — is it as simple as that, renounce the plank relative to Israel and give up their weapons and disarm, and then suddenly Hamas is a legitimate partner to be trusted? And, if so, how does the international community, how does the U.S. enforce it, make sure that it happens? I mean, if they were to say, yes, we do all those things, these are organizations and histories of people and cultures where there’s a lot of violence regardless of what’s said.
MR. McCLELLAN: You have the Quartet in place, that is very committed to working toward the two-state vision. You have a road map that was adopted. And, again, in terms of the contradiction that you bring up, that’s a contradiction that has to be resolved by the Palestinian people. You can’t have one foot in politics when you have the other in terror. You can’t be participating in a peaceful democratic process and then operating outside of that process in violence and terror, or armed — be armed outside of that process. And that’s what the President talked about yesterday. The Quartet put out a statement about that, as well.
Many European leaders talked about it, too, that if you’re going to participate in the democratic process and be part of that process, then you have to renounce terror and violence, and renounce a platform that calls for the destruction of Israel. The people in the region aspire to live in peace, and we want to help them move forward to that two-state vision because the two-state vision is the way you achieve peace. Democracies lead to peace.
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Q Scott, I have a two-part. Within hours of the President’s statement “a political party that articulates the destruction of Israel as part of its platform is a party with which we will not deal,” former President Jimmy Carter held a news conference in Jerusalem, where The Jerusalem Post reports he “urged the international community to directly or indirectly fund the new Palestinian government, even though it will be led by an internationally declared terror organization.” And my first question. Does the White House know of any Jimmy Carter plea for the support of a mafia? And why would that be any worse than this?
MR. McCLELLAN: Les, I think the President made his views pretty clear yesterday that you can’t be a partner in peace if you have as part of your platform the destruction of Israel. The President wants peace. I think the Palestinian people want peace. And that’s what we’re committed to. We’re committed to the vision that the President outlined. And many others are, as well, and that’s where we are.
Q So what about President Carter? What does he have to say about President Carter?
MR. McCLELLAN: You want to ask President Carter, you can ask President Carter about his remarks. But we’ve made our views very clear.
Q The Fatah demonstrations in Gaza, would you just tell us, is the President concerned about unrest in the Palestinian territories?
MR. McCLELLAN: The Quartet put out a statement yesterday saying that it’s important to respect the elections and to respect the constitutional process that is in place as it moves forward, and do so in an atmosphere of calm and security. And so we continue to urge that, as well.
Carl, you had something.
Q Yes, thanks, Scott. Your answer to the question about President Carter’s remarks, was that the equivalent of the White House didn’t want to dismiss it, cold-shoulder it?
MR. McCLELLAN: No, I think we have a different view than what he was expressing, and if I didn’t make that clear, I apologize. Very different view.
Thank you. Have a good weekend.
Fripping Bullfrapers. There’s just too much to comment on here, but I think it’s pretty obvious that Scott’s in a pickle and doesn’t want to admit it. People want peace. The Palestinians want peace. Peaceful societies vote. The Palestinians voted for Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist organization. We do not deal with terrorist organizations. We deal with the democratic people who want peace. The Palestinians peacefully voted for Hamas, etc.